In The Nutmeg’s Curse, Amitav Ghosh shares how Western colonialism and exploitation in the Banda Islands, Maluku, is the origin of climate change’s current dynamics. Hilmar Farid, the Director-General of Indonesia’s Ministry of Education and Culture, joins Amitav to discuss colonial history and spices, acknowledging the role that spices, like nutmeg, have played in the country’s national development.